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What I think should be changed (format using {{textdiff}}):

Please add the category “Category:Sex organs”

Why it should be changed:Since the vagina is a sex organ and to correct a link
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47.189.223.207 (talk) 19:06, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Partly done: Sex organs added as a category – macaddct1984 ^{(talk | contribs)} 11:33, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wording of caption

The caption for the first image currently reads

Human vagina; normal canal (left) and canal during menopause (right)

That contrast implies that a menopausal canal is abnormal. Can we substitute a more factual descriptor like pre-menopausal, or otherwise reword? Azn bookworm10 (talk) 23:45, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I took a shot at updating it. Jtrevor99 (talk) 02:08, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That looks reasonable to me. Is it obvious from context that it's meant to represent a postpubescent adult? "Adult human vagina" would be getting wordy. Azn bookworm10 (talk) 03:20, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd agree that "adult human vagina" probably wouldn't work - not just wordy, but would apply to both. "Fertile" and/or "infertile" could work but could also be confusing, since women are only fertile for a few days each month. I don't think "postpubescent" is ideal since "postmenopausal" is also "postpubescent". How about "adult human vagina before (left) and after (right) menopause"? Jtrevor99 (talk) 03:58, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Right, and not all women of reproductive age are even necessarily fertile, or whatever the medical terms would be. Anyway, I think that one is great. Accurate and succinct. Azn bookworm10 (talk) 04:47, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Jtrevor99 (talk) 05:19, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The caption still reads 'normal', thus continuing to imply that a post-menopausal vagina is abnormal. Can we delete the adjective? So: 'Adult human vagina, before (left) and after (right) menopause' Dcmcdcm-wiki (talk) 16:27, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Normal" is prior to the comma, clearly indicating it applies to both pre- and post-menopausal. Your reading is not correct. However, I'm indifferent on this. Feel free to delete "Normal". Jtrevor99 (talk) 16:33, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request

Could someone please change this sentence "Female mammals usually have two external openings in the vulva; these are the urethral opening for the urinary tract and the vaginal opening for the genital tract. This is different from male mammals, who usually have a single urethral opening for both urination and reproduction." to "Female placental mammals have two openings on the vulval vestibule or inside the urogenital sinus for the urethra (urinary tract) and vagina (genital tract). This is different from males, who have a single urethral opening for both urination and reproduction." on this article? Since new information about the Urogenital sinus in female placentals have been added? 181.215.172.251 (talk) 17:43, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 14 November 2024

It has been proposed in this section that Vagina be renamed and moved to Human Vagina.

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Vagina → Human Vagina – I'm proposing we move the information in this article about the human vagina to a new article titled Human Vagina, and likewise stop the redirect of Human Vagina to Vagina. Wikipedia has separate articles for Penis and Human Penis, which implies that men's genitals make them human, whereas women's genitals are no different from animals'. This violates WP:NPOV, being a form of misogyny.

As it reads in this article, 'Because a better understanding of female genitalia can help combat sexual and psychological harm with regard to female development, researchers endorse correct terminology for the vulva.' Likewise, there is much psychological harm in implying that women are more animal than men. Moving the relevant material over to Human Vagina will remove bias and help keep Wikipedia neutral. Dcmcdcm-wiki (talk) 16:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support for all reasons listed, especially for symmetry with Human Penis --Scharb (talk) 18:49, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If this is moved the definitely lowercase "vagina" in the new title. I don't find the symmetry argument convincing - the two articles were written over time by different subcommunities and the fact that the subcommunity writing about male anatomy chose to structure things differently than the subcommunity writing about female anatomy does not imply any kind of misogyny IMO. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 23:16, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. Theparties (talk) 23:24, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Comment~~ Oppose I think that this requested move would make more sense as a proposal to split Vagina into two articles: one about vaginas in general, and one about them in humans in particular. However, I don't think the argument based on implying that women are more animal than men is very good, seeing as the articles for male reproductive structures apart from the penis (e.g. Vas deferens, Prostate) are human-centric, with a minor section called "Other animals," as is the case for Vagina. Also, this reasoning could be inverted--one could argue that making Vagina a human-centric article while Penis is not could be emphasizing the humanity of women in some way, since that is mentioned more prominently in the article for their genitals. That argument would not be very good, but it is not much worse than the opposite. Also, we should ensure the proper casing as per Pppery. JJP_{Mas_ter} (she/they) 01:13, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I am changing my !vote to oppose, while keeping the same reasoning, per Crossroads. JJP_{Mas_ter} (she/they) 22:39, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Sexology and sexuality, WikiProject Anatomy, and WikiProject Women's Health have been notified of this discussion. JJP_{Mas_ter} (she/they) 01:15, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose; if being symmetrical is what we are after, then it would be a split. However, we don't need to be perfectly symmetrical, e.g. WP:OTHERSTUFF. It could also be that the penis and human penis articles being separate is the mistake, not the lack of splitting in this one. The 'misogyny' argument can go either way, as noted above, and isn't policy based. Crossroads ^-talk- 21:31, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]