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Pantelis Pitsillos

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This footballer played mainly in the lower levels of Cyprus and with little coverage. I found Gazzetta Greece, Sigma Live and Pafos Net, none of which showed significant coverage of Pitsillos. No evidence of WP:SPORTBASIC. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:20, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hamad Al-Juhaini

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Another poorly sourced BLP with no claim to passing WP:SPORTBASIC created by a banned user. The best source that I can find in Arabic is a stats page, FilGoal. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:59, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Saleh Al-Arfej

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Poorly sourced BLP on a footballer with a very brief career and no evidence of a WP:SPORTBASIC pass, created by a now-banned user. My Arabic searches yielded stats coverage on Kooora and Koraplus and a match report mention on Kooora. None of this is even close to enough. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:49, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Phillip Broughton

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Four years after the notability banner was added, the article remains largely unsourced with two of the three references for this article being Broughton's own blog. PlateOfToast (talk) 18:48, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Chief of the General Staff (Bangladesh)

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Previously draftified. WP:DRAFTOBJECT means it cannot only be sent back to draft by consensus. This is a formal proposal to Draftify on the basis that it is unready for mainspace. It is not about the role in any meaningful manner, but is a list of incumbents. What does the Chief of General Staff do?What do reliable independent sources say about the role? Why are some of the references 404 errors and another a dead server?. Returning this to draft will give the creating editor the breaking space they need and deserve to create the correct article. Ideally they shoudl not return it to mainspace unilaterally, but use the AFC system, though I recognise that the system is not mandatory 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 18:47, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Satish R. Devane

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The subject does not meet the notability criteria under WP:NACADEMIC and has only served at non-notable institutions and small colleges, further limiting eligibility for inclusion. There is also no evidence of WP:GNG as an alternative for retention. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 17:56, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The London Scene (film)

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Article about a television documentary film, not properly sourced as passing either WP:NFILM or WP:TVSHOW. As always, films (regardless of their status as theatrical or television films) are not automatically entitled to Wikipedia articles just because they existed, and have to show some evidence of their significance (awards, cultural impact, etc.) referenced to WP:GNG-worthy coverage about them -- but this cites no referencing at all, and even its external link is a dead directory listing that just redirects back to the front splash page of the site rather than to any profile of the film, while searching that site for this film title fails to bring up evidence of any profile existing at a different URL either.
As I don't have good access to archived British media coverage from the 1960s, I'm willing to withdraw this if somebody who does have such access can find enough coverage to salvage this, but simple existence isn't "inherently" notable enough to exempt it from having to have any sourcing. Bearcat (talk) 17:08, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Survival (TV series), which already has a paragraph about it as the first Survival film. While there are references to it in books about nature documentaries, it seems to always be in the context of the series - and looking at TV listings for 1st February 1961, it only aired in London, Anglia and the Southeast, which will limit contemporary reviews. It's a plausible search term, though, so the redirect is probably worthwhile. Adam Sampson (talk) 18:45, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kyohei Hagiwara

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MMA fighter fails WP:NMMA (no evidence of ever ranking in world top 10 for division) and WP:NSPORT/WP:GNG for lack of WP:SIGCOV. Coverage in article (and in WP:BEFORE search) is routine match coverage and/or non-independent coverage on the website of his fighting federation. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:36, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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O'Reilly Open Source Award

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Lack of independent notability for a defunct prize, without page improvement despite tagging for 4 years. My search show reliable sources discussing the prize only in the context of Tim O'Reilly (the founder) or O'Reilly Media. Merging was considered (to O'Reilly Open Source Convention), but rejected in a February proposal over at Talk:OSCON. In the abscence of a merge, and without independent notability, deleting seems the next best solution. Klbrain (talk) 16:34, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to O'Reilly Open Source Convention, might be able to merge the lead but the the full list of awards is a violation of WP:NOTDB and doesn't pass WP:NLIST. (I'll note that the aforementioned proposal wasn't rejected, there was no consensus, we can find it here if we so choose). Bobby Cohn (talk) 16:56, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect or merge: to the main Convention article, seems to be part of that, without its own notability. Oaktree b (talk) 17:26, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep (no redirect nor merge) both on the grounds that there are plenty of similar awards lists on Wikipedia, and that at this point this is worthy history to document. It was notable at the time, and that should be sufficient. More recent assertions of notability or lack there of should be rejected.
- On a process issue, I believe this Afd proposal is out of order or at worst a deletion gaming attempt. As noted, the prior attempt had no consensus and had not closed, so re-starting a new one appears to be an attempt to "reset the votes" and hope that others who had opposed this deletion or merge will miss it (as often happens, since not every editor is constantly watching every Afd etc.) Tantek (talk) 19:24, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

SKANS School of Accountancy

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Non-notable for-profit accounting school, fails WP:NORG. Gheus (talk) 16:21, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Dharti TV

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Non-notable local channel, lacks independent coverage. Fails WP:GNG. Gheus (talk) 16:17, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comilla Polytechnic Institute

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The only independent reliable sources found are brief mentions within primary source news reports about broader events (e.g. https://www.thedailystar.net/news-detail-75355, https://en.prothomalo.com/bangladesh/5enz43u7pl, etc.). Per WP:SIRS, primary sources do not count towards establishing notability. This title was previously redirected to the supervising Bangladesh Technical Education Board, where the school is listed, but the redirect was removed by an editor without regard to Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Worldbruce (talk) 16:10, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Pakistan Observer

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Non-notable newspaper, coverage is mostly related to its founder, Zahid Malik. Fails WP:NCORP. I suggest to delete this article and then redirect to The Bangladesh Observer which was once a notable newspaper known as Pakistan Observer in Pakistan but was later renamed after East Pakistan independence. Gheus (talk) 16:07, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Public News (Pakistan)

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Non-notable news channel, coverage is mostly related to its founder Yousaf Baig Mirza. Fails WP:GNG. Gheus (talk) 15:46, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Abb Takk News

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The best source about this TV station is of Reporters Without Borders' article, but unfortunately it is very brief and says that this channel is known for "copying Indian TV channel ‘AajTakk’ down to its logo and most graphic designs." This is not enough to pass WP:NCORP which requires multiple in-depth articles in independent sources. Gheus (talk) 15:41, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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SUCH TV

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Regulatory actions/penalties like this and this are enough to pass WP:NCORP. Gheus (talk) 15:38, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: The nom seems to want to keep the article and the sourcing is fine. The ones used in the article and above count as RS. What was the issue, why was this nominated for deletion? Oaktree b (talk) 17:28, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ravi Motorcycles

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Non-notable motorcycle manufacturer. WP:CORPTRIV mentions like this are not enough to pass WP:NCORP. Gheus (talk) 15:20, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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GTV Network (Pakistan)

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Non-notable local TV station. Lacks independent coverage that addresses the topic directly and in detail. Fails WP:GNG. Gheus (talk) 15:13, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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El Camino Media

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There isn't any significant coverage for this label. There are trivial mentions but nothing more. Frost 11:56, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: the article functions as a list of artists on the label. A majority of the artists are blue linked per WP:CSC (and can be expanded to more as I found sufficient sourcing for a couple), and there's several notable albums that make up a category attached to the page. Koopastar (talk) 05:42, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's an article about a company that doesn't meet the notability guideline for companies. Notability is not inherited. Having notable artists or albums doesn't make the label itself notable. Frost 05:56, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:46, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wildflower, California

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One of Carlossuarez46's mass-created articles based on GNIS, an unreliable source. On the same day they created this article, they created 129 other articles. No evidence that this was ever more than the store at the cross-roads that is presently called "Wild Flower", and which would have had a post-office in it for the use of people passing by. To be notable, stores and post-offices need to pass WP:NCORP, which is clearly not passed.

Was PROD'd and de-PROD'd last year since the de-PRODer thought it might pass GEOLAND. Briefly, this article fails WP:GEOLAND due to lack of legal recognition (e.g., incorporation as a town) and WP:GNG due to the lack of significant coverage in reliable sources. FOARP (talk) 11:17, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence that this passes WP:GNG or that there is actually a community there other than the Wild Flower Market (store). The common name also complicates searching for information. starship.paint (talk / cont) 13:08, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails WP:GNG and WP:GEOLAND. I was unable to find any sources about the location and I cannot find anything notable about it at all. Beachweak (talk) 14:42, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Larson Angok

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Bio about a musician and activist who does not meet WP:NMUSIC or WP:BASIC. The article was declined in draftspace and moved to mainspace by its creator.

Almost none of the information in the draft is supported by the sources, which have been added at random places in the text. Of the seven sources, five are press releases about him being arrested (which is not mentioned in the article), one (pachodo.org) is a crowdsourced / user generated platform, and one is Angok's own organisation. bonadea contributions talk 13:43, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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FTR, this had already been through the process of draft submission - decline - move to mainspace - redraftification, which is why I didn't draftify it again. There have never been any independent and reliable sources in the draft, and looking at the previous AfD, there were no such sources available then, either. --bonadea contributions talk 13:47, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Seems to be a few stories about the singer's arrest, but I'm not sure that shows notability. I can't find any of the usual factors we'd look at for NMUSIC, doesn't appear to have charted or released albums on a commercial label. Oaktree b (talk) 14:06, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - In agreement with the nominator. The gentleman's music has received no reliable notice that I can find, and his other activities may have some social impact in his country but that does not make them notable. The article violates WP:NOTPROMOTION and WP:NOTRESUME. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:28, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: No evidence of passing NMUSIC or GNG

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Anna Holland

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At Template:Did you know nominations/Phoebe Plummer, I argued that this BLP does not meet the independent notability standards of WP:CRIMINAL; the article creator disagreed. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:28, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Perhaps more input from others here. It was a protest, and in some ways exactly the result they were looking for. She was sentenced to prison time. — Maile (talk) 17:13, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pat Carroll (soccer)

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Minor soccer player supported only by primary sources. Fails WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG, spells in his two clubs only yielded 366 minutes of playing time combined. Geschichte (talk) 12:27, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jeff Carroll (soccer)

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Minor soccer player supported only by primary sources and routine coverage. Fails WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG, spells in his two last clubs only yielded 829 minutes of playing time combined. Geschichte (talk) 12:30, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Tomáš Vantruba

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Yet another long-time stub of a Slovak men's footballer named Tomáš without sign of meeting WP:GNG. He played 87 minutes of professional league before moving to lower leagues. There are some mentions of him with his twin brother, Martin, but I can't find sources to merit a standalone, independent SIGCOV for Tomáš Vantruba himself. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 12:27, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Didn't really have a career, so what can we expect coverage-wise? Geschichte (talk) 13:20, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 18:43, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Galatasaray Mobile

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This page seems to be entirely irrelevant and has minimal sources to back up details about its existence. Last edits adding actual content was in the mid 2010s, proving its irrelevancy. This is my first actual AfD, so pardon me if I am mistaken, but fixing the article up seems unfruitful. --~eticangaaa (talk) 12:27, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: This is alI could find, I'm unsure if it's a press release or not [1] and it's only one source anyway. Not enough to show notability here. Oaktree b (talk) 14:08, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Red Alert (video game)

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It does not appear to pass WP:GNG. However, finding sources for this game is hellish due to the Command and Conquer series PLUS the other game of the same name released the same year. Nevertheless, given it was unsourced since its inception, I have no choice but to nominate for deletion. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:00, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Only one source is present within the article, however it only relates to the release date and none of the content in the article. Was unable to find anything else about this game, aside from unreliable blogs or wikis. Fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:GNG. Beachweak (talk) 14:48, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Delete - I was able to find some coverage on Archive.org - Electronic Games (Volume 1 No. 2 March 1982 p.71), Play Meter (Volume 7 No. 21 November 15, 1981 p.30), and some additional brief coverage from Play Meter (Volume 8 No. 2 January 15 1982 p.26). Doesn't meet WP:GNG, but if more coverage is found it may be enough to show notability. Waxworker (talk) 19:23, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

History of rugby union matches between Georgia and Portugal

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Not a notable rivalry, European countries normally play each other regularly without any special meaning for any random pairing. Fram (talk) 11:51, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per WP:NOTSTATS. Rivalries need to have significant coverage about the relevant details in their history. This is just a statistical collection of games between two nations. Conyo14 (talk) 18:19, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

HK Television

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Non-notable TV channel. All sources are channel listings, and I found no reliable sources online. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 11:24, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete no RS about the topic, article has unsourced content. Only sourced content is just the existence of channel in channel listings. ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 12:42, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete the author has a COI and shouldn't have published this in the first place, but now that they have, might as well let this AfD run. No evidence of notability of any flavour. --DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:28, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Gheus (talk) 16:12, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kaspa (cryptocurrency)

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Non-notable crypto. All soures are database listings, and I found no reliable sources online. Also promotional in tone. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 10:28, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Can't find no notable source. Unilandofma (talk) 12:20, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Interviews and coverage in non-RS used for sourcing, not seeing much of anything in my search for sources. More crypto PROMO here it looks like. Oaktree b (talk) 14:10, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Forgotten Army

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Fails WP:NBOOK, lacks WP:SIGCOV, barely any edits. AFDing instead of WP:BLARing bcs name can be confused with other things, including those in the hatnote DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 10:28, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge very selectively to New Series Adventures#Eleventh Doctor and possibly rename: After redirection this should probably no longer be considered the WP:Primary topic. Possibly make this a disambiguation page? This Radio Times article mentions the book and verifies the Vykoids as antagonists, so that probably should appear in one sentence of plot summary at the target. Is there any indication of Doctor Who Reviews being a reliable source or not? Daranios (talk) 16:06, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article is a trivial mention about the book and its antagonists. No, DWR is a fan-site, which is generally not considered reliable. Rename might be good, though I think deletion would be better, as someone searching for it is more likely to be searching for the INA or related documentaries, books or other media, rather than this novel. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 16:27, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps the redirect could be changed to "The Forgotten Army (Doctor Who)"? Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 18:42, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nuclear Time

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Fails WP:NBOOK, lacks WP:SIGCOV, barely any edits. AFDing instead of WP:BLARing bcs name can be confused with other things DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 10:27, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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North Rhine-Westphalian Academy of Sciences and the Arts

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The article clearly lacks any WP:independent sources. Xpander (talk) 15:36, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Dick Simon (entrepreneur)

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Accepted at AFC in 2015, but standards were somewhat less exacting then. Simon is presented with many references, but appears to be a WP:ROTM businessman dabbling in psychedelic drugs. Much of the rest appears to be wealthy persons hobbies. The references, especially the more authoritative ones, seem to be what Simon says, not what is said about him. Sample checking the others shows them to be of a similar nature. Fails WP:BIO 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 11:30, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Supranet

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Fails WP:NCORP. Themoonisacheese (talk) 11:05, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I guess i'll make my delete position clearer in order to initiate the discussion: As has been shown in the article's talk page, "supranet" is not a word being used outside (and from the lack of any hits on search engines, even inside) of Gartner, Inc. It's a transparent attempt by the company to try to coin a word to describe what was obviously going to happen to anyone in the space at the time, which on its own wouldn't warrant deletion if it succeeded. The attempt failed in favor of the much more ubiquitous term Internet of things. Anecdotally, I work for a semiconductor company in the IOT space and none of our internal documents have ever mentionned "supranet", despite what it describes being bang on our market segment. Themoonisacheese (talk) 10:02, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just Salad

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Fails WP:NCORP. The discussion page indicates several requests. Dmitry Bobriakov (talk) 10:09, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I was originally leaning towards "Keep" since I was able to find tons of supposed sources about this place. However, when you actually take a look at them, 99% of the sites covering this place are news sites that take paid stories or advertisement in the form of articles, calling their verifiability into question. While sites like Forbes covered this restaurant, the actual articles are written by "Contributors", aka random users.

Additionally, many of the articles only talk about specific new menu items or related topics which, in my opinion, makes it fail WP:SIGCOV. Fails WP:ORGCRIT too. Beachweak (talk) 16:05, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Iddaru (2024)

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Duplicate article of another one that exists hidden in the page history of Iddaru (2024 film), which is clearly about the same film, though it isn't entirely clear why that article was BLARed. Both articles should be merged if kept. CycloneYoris ^talk! 08:19, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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That is Oppanda Kannada Language Movie releaseed in 2022, But Iddaru is remake Movie in Telugu Languagw Movie. The Iddaru (2024 film) can be Murged or redirected to this article Sudheerbs (talk) 08:27, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@CycloneYoris: can you explain what are the reasons for deletion for this article?

The history seems to be

23 October 2024 Iddaru (2024 film) created by @Monhiroe:
25 October 2024 Iddaru (2024 film) redirected to Oppanda as a dubbed version by @DareshMohan:
26 November 2024 Iddaru (2024) created by @Sudheerbs:
26 November 2024 Iddaru (2024 film) redirected to Iddaru (2024) by Sudheerbs
26 November 2024 Iddaru (2024) nominated for deletion by CycloneYoris
The only discussion I have found is at Talk:Oppanda#@Telugu film dubbed in Kannada? started by @Herodyswaroop:
The Telugu article seems to be at te:ఇద్దరు (2023 సినిమా). TSventon (talk) 11:12, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TSventon: I haven't expressed any desire to delete this article, and brought it to AfD mainly because of the duplicate article that exists, which is why I suggested to merge it with the existing one. CycloneYoris ^talk! 22:07, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Had this discussion before, this is a kannada movie dubbed in telugu and @Dareshmohan has confirmed this. So, we can merge with Oppanda article and mention iddaru is its telugu version comment added by Herodyswaroop (talk • contribs) 12:13, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and restore redirect of Iddaru (2024 film) to Oppanda per Herodyswaroop. Dubbed / partially reshot films do not get articles. Read Talk:Oppanda#@Telugu film dubbed in Kannada? for proof that the film is dubbed. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yamadheera (2024 film) for the precedent set that dubbed films do not get articles. The definition of a partially reshot film is a film where a minor part of the film was reshot and a majority wasn't. See List of multilingual Indian films#Partially reshot films, 99% of partially reshot films, do not get articles. The one instance where it has a separate article, 50% of the film was in fact reshot. The reason that this film can not get a separate article is that the lip sync issues are clear from the trailer itself. This [2] lacks lip sync while the same dialogue from the original [3] is in perfect lip sync.

As per the comment at the Indian cinema taskforce here, even if they are reshot partially, it still doesn’t need a separate article. If we are to delve into original research, they reshot a single dialogue in Telugu here vs the original here. The makers of the film were smart enough to release the same trailer as the original version. Complete with English dialogues, only the English dialogues would be in lip sync. When the trailer itself lacks lip sync, do you expect the film to be a straight film?

Regarding the Telugu wiki, even dubbed Telugu films get an article there. Apart from Hindi, since the 1990s several films have been dubbed in Telugu and became mainstream. DareshMohan (talk) 20:38, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect back: to Oppanda. Dubbed movies should be mentioned on the page of the original film, rather than having a standalone article.--— MimsMENTOR ^talk 12:32, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Oppanda: Dubbed film. It can be redirect Monhiroe (talk) 19:10, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into Oppanda and redirect: If it's notable, I'll go for keep, but for now, hmmm..... Intrisit (talk) 20:44, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

this is telugu stright film,this film made by telugu tamil and Kannada langues, each and every shot shooted in three langueges. Pandu147 (talk) 18:43, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Earmilk

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All 9 sources cited in the creation of this page lack credibility and fail to establish notability, as they barely address the topic in any meaningful way. Upon closer inspection, there is little to no reliable information available online. Additionally, the publication in question appears to be self-proclaimed and lacks established recognition. The article was created without prior discussion, and if such a discussion had occurred, it is unlikely the article would have been approved or passed moderation standards. This seems to reflect a pattern of using Wikipedia as a platform to lend credibility to fake or paid news. Moondust534 (talk) 07:55, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Without looking further into this, so no comment on the notability, something lacking popularity does not make it "fake news" and almost all articles on Wikipedia are created without discussion. PARAKANYAA (talk) 08:28, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. While I agree an initial search is showing that it's probably not notable, I don't see the malice of things being "fake" or overtly promotional mentioned by the nominator. This looks like a run-of-the-mill article creation by an inexperienced editor who didn't understand our notability standards. Sergecross73 msg me 11:56, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I saw multiple fake news, so I reported it, with article prices on upwork. A blog cannot be labeled a reliable magazine tho. The platform has mixed reviews, with some raising concerns about its reliability and payout practices. Moondust534 (talk) 16:42, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not really following, but your nomination should be focusing more on how it fails notability criteria like the WP:GNG or WP:WEBCRIT, not all this "fake news" stuff. Sergecross73 msg me 17:25, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. That was a side comment I made. My main point is that it fails notability, coverage about it does not exist. - WP:GNG WP:WEBCRIT. Moondust534 (talk) 18:07, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Miss Teen Intercontinental

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Created by a blocked sockpuppet. No evidence of notability. Tagged as such for a year without improvement. I checked a few sources and they all seemed to be unreliable, not significant coverage, variations of the same press release, etc. etc. This is related to but not quite the same as Miss Intercontinental which has been deleted and salted a bajillion times. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 06:38, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Weak but, sources such as UFDC, Pageantopolis, and El Diario (though with local focus) counts towards notability. Some archived coverage's are also found here: El Paso Herald Post, Kokomo Tribune 1, Kokomo Tribune 2. Enough to pass WP:SIGCOV.--— MimsMENTOR ^talk 13:32, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pageantopolis is not a reliable source per Wikipedia:WikiProject_Beauty_Pageants/Sources (and I'm highly dubious of the reliability/independence of a source attributed to "admin" - why was nobody willing to sign their name to it). I have know idea what UFDC is meant to refer to (that acronym doesn't appear in the article at all). El Paso Herald Post and Komoko Tribune 2 are both single passing mentions in a long list of people attending an event, which isn't significant coverage. El Diario is too short to be considered significant coverage of any kind. Komoko Tribune 1 is closest, but I think you would need more than "person wins this contest" spruced up with a few biographical details to truly establish notability for a topic with as sorry a history as this one. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 23:11, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Otago Gold Rush (basketball)

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NORG DaHuzyBru (talk) 05:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Alexeyevitch^(talk) 08:16, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The article is alot of work but the team has ample coverage about it as one of the top women's basketball teams in New Zealand.National Womens Basketball Championships Finals Tip Off Thursday, Long build-up finally over for Gold Rush, Basketball: Otago crowned WBC champions — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alvaldi (talk • contribs) 09:59, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The team played in the Women's Basketball Championship – a fairly unremarkable New Zealand domestic competition with no wiki page. Are you willing to demonstrate this team's notability by expanding the article? A general google search of "otago gold rush basketball" doesn't yield many results. That first article you linked for example is a copy and paste from Basketball New Zealand. The page is also a borderline Orphan. DaHuzyBru (talk) 10:36, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Zero Hour (video game)

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Found reviews in The Games Machine and Softonic, and a news mention in PCGamesN. While this isn't terrible it also isn't enough to pass WP:GNG because PCGamesN doesn't really offer up any critical opinions, and everything else is an unreliable source. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 08:43, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. While I think a soft deletion would work in this instance in case the game becomes super popular (it was released only three months ago), the article does not really have significant coverage aside from The Games Machine article. The Softonic article I would also consider more unreliable as it appears user-generated and may not be independent with a download link. Conyo14 (talk) 18:17, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously, this is not a game for an international audience. It's targeted at local Bangladeshis, & it's quite popular here. That is why you will find numerous evaluations in Bangla newspapers. You can also read Sportskeeda's review and IGN's article, "Old-School Rainbow Six Spiritual Successor 'Zero Hour' Drops Launch Trailer" Prantoo Biswas (talk) 18:24, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sportskeeda is not reliable: WP:SPORTSKEEDA. Conyo14 (talk) 18:50, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hydra Ventures

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Fails WP:NCORP.Insufficient WP:ORGCRIT sources.

Edit: @WikiOriginal-9:, you withdrew the nomination last time. Do you have any comments on whether or not this article should be deleted?

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Return of the Living Dad

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The article has a source from The Unauthorized Guide to Doctor Who Novels which seems solid. It has a source to Bibliography of Australian Literature which isn't WP:SIGCOV just verifying the credits. Now the reason I bring this specifically up to AFD is to formulate a consensus on the following. It has three sources to Doctor Who Magazine not published by the BBC but by Panini Comics. Despite this it is officially lisenced and maintains a close relationship with the BBC. Are these reviews good enough to establish notability and count towards WP:NBOOK Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 05:34, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Drawn to Life (video game series)

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I could not find anything in particular about the series that merits a standalone series page or passes WP:GNG. The main article has been the first game for a very long time and there was no particular reason to diverge from that. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:21, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Drawn to Life#Sequels, spin-off, and possible future as an WP:ATD. The article already goes off into a collection of sources from the games' reviews. I've not found anything that talks about a series overview. Conyo14 (talk) 18:09, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Code page 3846

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout. HyperAccelerated (talk) 05:02, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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WP:NOTDICT is not relevant, these articles are about concepts, not words or phrases. The first sentence is a definition, the rest, including the character set, is a description. It's possible that some are not notable, but an alternative would be to redirect to Code page. Peter James (talk) 14:07, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think you're misunderstanding. We need sources that let us expand beyond the what's currently in the article, which is effectively "this is a code page and this is a copy-paste of its contents." I can't find any reliable secondary sources that would allow us to do that.

I'm not claiming that "Code page 3846" shows up in the Oxford English Dictionary. This distinction between "concepts" and "words or phrases" or between "definitions" and "descriptions" misses the forest for the trees. Maybe I should have cited WP: HOWTO instead, but no matter which policy we use, the argument is the same as nearly any other AfD: the sourcing needs to be improved, or this article should be deleted. HyperAccelerated (talk) 16:15, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with Code page 857 or transwiki. Alexlatham96 (talk) 18:39, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Code page 860

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout, beyond a couple mentions in some books. HyperAccelerated (talk) 05:02, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Has enough sources, and is a well-established code page. Alexlatham96 (talk) 18:43, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You have done nothing to explain how this article has adequate sourcing. HyperAccelerated (talk) 19:24, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Code page 859

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout. HyperAccelerated (talk) 04:59, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Can't find any sources to expand the article or establish notability. BJackJS talk 15:12, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Code page 857

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout. HyperAccelerated (talk) 04:58, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Has enough sources, and is a well-established code page. Alexlatham96 (talk) 18:43, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You have done nothing to explain how this article has adequate sourcing. HyperAccelerated (talk) 19:25, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Code page 856

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout. HyperAccelerated (talk) 04:57, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Has enough sources, and is a well-established code page. Alexlatham96 (talk) 18:43, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You have done nothing to explain how this article has adequate sourcing. HyperAccelerated (talk) 19:25, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Code page 1169

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout. HyperAccelerated (talk) 04:55, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Transwiki No sources. Alexlatham96 (talk) 18:43, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Code page 855

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout, besides maybe one trivial mention in a book. HyperAccelerated (talk) 04:54, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Has enough sources, and is a well-established code page. Alexlatham96 (talk) 18:43, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You have done nothing to explain how this article has adequate sourcing. HyperAccelerated (talk) 19:25, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Code page 853

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout. HyperAccelerated (talk) 04:51, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Code page 852

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout. HyperAccelerated (talk) 04:50, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Has enough sources, and is a well-established code page. Alexlatham96 (talk) 18:43, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You have done nothing to explain how this article has adequate sourcing. HyperAccelerated (talk) 19:24, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Amir Reza Mirzaei

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Fails notability, never won a major medal. his achievements are in youth level or either in minor competitions. Sports2021 (talk) 04:13, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was G4 speedy deleted‎. (non-admin closure) Procyon117 (talk) 18:37, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seyed Ali Mousavi Noor

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Fails notability, it was deleted once recently after this discussion Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Seyed Ali Mousavi Nour but recreated again under a slightly different name to trick wikipedia. Sports2021 (talk) 04:04, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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to stay: Please refrain from deleting this article. This article is about one of the prominent karate champions from Iran and Asia, a member of Iran’s national karate team, who has achieved significant titles such as Asian Games champion and Asian champion. In interviews published by credible sources, this athlete has expressed their ambition to win an Olympic gold medal. A key strength of this article lies in its reliance on reputable and recognized sources, including Fars News Agency and Islamic Republic News Agency. These news agencies have independent articles on English Wikipedia, reflecting their credibility and notability on an international scale. Why this article meets the criteria for inclusion in Wikipedia: Athletic Notability: This champion has earned major national and international titles, making them well-known in the world of sports. Credible References: The article is based on official and internationally recognized sources, which align with Wikipedia’s standards for reliable references. Compliance with Wikipedia Policies: The article adheres to all Wikipedia guidelines, including neutrality, use of reliable sources, and meeting the notability criteria. Historical and Sports Significance: This article documents a part of Iran’s sports history, and its deletion may lead to the loss of important information.

Given that the article fully complies with Wikipedia’s criteria and guidelines, it is recommended that the reviewing team carefully reassess its content and sources and avoid deleting an article about such a significant sports figure.Tirakhar (talk) 12:15, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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SJK(C) Puay Chai 2

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Contested draft. School doesn't appear to be notable enough for a standalone article, and currently fails WP:NSCHOOL. CycloneYoris ^talk! 03:53, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - The school does not meet NORG nor GNG. As the page creator moved it out of draft space after draftification, I suspect that the same would happen again if an ATD of draftify found consensus. Draftify would also imply that we thought sources might be found, but I am not seeing any evidence that will happen. Better, then, to just delete it. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 13:08, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dice pool

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Effectively unreferenced, outside few mentions of this in particular games. While my BEFORE confirms that the terms appear here and there, I cannot find any WP:SIGCOV of this. This seems to fail WP:V and WP:GNG. Not sure if redirecting this do dice is even warranted. Note that the article is also incorrect - it limits this concept to RPGs, but it also appears in board games (but it is really a very niche and minor part of all such games). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:51, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep I sorted through about 8-10 hits in Google Scholar to come up with three that I believe appropriately demonstrate this mechanic is covered adequately in RS to meet GNG.
Liu, A. J. (2022). Icepool: Efficient Computation of Dice Pool Probabilities. Proceedings of the AAAI Conference on Artificial Intelligence and Interactive Digital Entertainment, 18(1), 258-265. https://doi.org/10.1609/aiide.v18i1.21971 Wonderful paper, totally about dice pools, from the proceedings of a conference I've actually heard about.

Ovard, Caleb, "Your Mission, Should You Choose to Attempt it, is to Save the Mona Lisa! Gamification as a Method for Teaching Art" (2023). Theses and Dissertations. 10236. https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/etd/10236 Very detailed discussion with examples of dice pool mechanics. It's a master's thesis, not published elsewhere.

T. Mott, M. Higger, A. Bejarano and T. Williams, "Degrees of Freedom: A Storytelling Game that Supports Technology Literacy about Social Robots," 2024 33rd IEEE International Conference on Robot and Human Interactive Communication (ROMAN), Pasadena, CA, USA, 2024, pp. 2095-2102, doi: 10.1109/RO-MAN60168.2024.10731340. Could say more about the dice pool, really just describes its use and origin, but it's a journal from a very well respected professional society. Jclemens (talk) 07:58, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Code page 851

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout, including the six currently in the article. HyperAccelerated (talk) 03:42, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jhala Manna

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This article was previously deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jhala Man Singh and recreated under a different title with sufficient differences that G4 speedy deletion was declined.

However, the recreated version still does not show that the subject passes WP:GNG or WP:NBIO.

Most sources have one or a handful of passing or WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS of the subject (A History of Rajasthan, A History of Mewar, Battle of Haldighati, Jhālā rājavaṃsa, Mewar Saga, Mewar & the Mughal Emperors, and Maharana Pratap: The Invincible Warrior.
In addition to having trivial mentions, some sources are also considered of questionable reliability per WP:RAJ, such as Tod's Annals of Rajasthan
One source is WP:SELFPUBLISH: Sacred Mysteries from vanity publisher by Notion Press.
Chiefs and Leading Families in Rajputana has no mention of Jhala Man Singh/Man Singh Jhala/Jhala Bida/Jhala Manna/Jhala Sardar or any other configuration of his names.
Another "source" is a poem.
The final source is an e-commerce site.

No evidence of WP:SIGCOV in independent, reliable sources is found in a WP:BEFORE search. Dclemens1971 (talk) 03:06, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Still not seeing notability, sources are as explained above, not much for showing notability. I still don't find any sources we can sue. Oaktree b (talk) 14:16, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Code page 720

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout, including the six currently in the article. HyperAccelerated (talk) 02:54, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Twinkle could not notify the article creator because they're indefinitely banned. If there's any users I should notify about this AfD, please let me know. HyperAccelerated (talk) 02:57, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, although a redirect to Code page#DOS code pages could work in theory, I seriously doubt the article has enough views to warrant an optimal redirect. Conyo14 (talk) 18:06, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Code page 708

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout. HyperAccelerated (talk) 02:51, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Code page 668

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout. HyperAccelerated (talk) 02:50, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Emote

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The article as it currently stands is a pure WP:DICDEF. I was only able to find trivial mentions about emotes in sources, or sources over-specifically referring to a specific emote from a specific game (usually Fortnite). I feel this could become a disambiguation page pointing to acting and emoji among other things. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:25, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Keep~~. Although the current state of the article isn't great, I think we have enough sourcing to meet WP:GNG. I found academic sources that discuss the use of emotes on Twitch^[1]^[2] and there are other online sources that specifically discuss emotes (as distinct from emojis),^[3]^[4] so I don't think redirecting would be appropriate. There appears to be enough sourcing to maintain a separate article, but I'm open to input from other editors. Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 20:12, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
On further consideration, there is some overlap between how emotes and emojis are used (one paper describes emotes as "platform-specific emojis"),^[5] but I still think there is enough discussion of emotes as a distinct term to warrant a stand-alone article. Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 20:30, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And can any of those be used to write a cohesive article on emotes in general, as opposed to an example farm?

Even if expanded, I foresee it becoming like:

"In one example, Twitch utilizes emotes. In another, Youtube uses emotes. In yet another, emotes are used in MMOs". And so on. Furthermore, in at least some of these cases, "emotes" is used in a sense that is synonymous with emoji rather than its own entity. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:14, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You're right that emotes and emojis are sometimes used synonymously, but in some contexts they are clearly distinct. Video game emotes (i.e., character animations that players can trigger) is a clearly distinct usage for instance. One source I found discusses a copyright lawsuit against Epic Games regarding the source of their emote animations;^[6] another source discusses the differences in how players perceive emotes vs. actual facial expressions;^[7] and there were more sources I saw on Google Scholar that I'm too lazy to cite at the moment. To your point, it will definitely be difficult to create a cohesive article because of these diverging uses of the term. However, I'm seeing quite a few academic sources that discuss the use of emotes in video games and live chats, so I'm still inclined to keep an article in some form. I'm open to discussion on what the scope of the article should be, how to structure it, etc. Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 00:56, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's possible the article could be rewritten as Emote (video games). However, I don't think it would be the primary topic regardless, so I believe that my deletion proposal of this particular article in its current form still stands. In the current article there is nothing that merits keeping; it requires a full rewrite 100%. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:24, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just because it requires a rewrite doesn't mean it should be deleted. AfD is not cleanup. Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 21:48, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment on the Twitch emotes; depending on the severity of the coverage, would Twitch emotes not be a separate topic from emotes? Sort of similar to how Emoji has various other notable topics, like Eggplant emoji and Face with Tears of Joy emoji. I'm not sure it'd provide notability to the parent if it is an inherently separate, albeit notable topic.
I do second Zx in that emotes seem to be a very wide-reaching topic, and the sourcing for them as a whole doesn't seem to be there like what Emojis seem to have. There may be several notable subtopics, but attempting to cover all these subtopics as one topic would be messy and potentially problematic. I won't vote yet until more is discussed, but I felt it would be worthwhile to ask about the above and get some clarity on this. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 20:36, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, the issue seems to be that there are multiple topics this article could focus on. When it comes to emotes on livestreaming platforms, the sources seem to exclusively focus on Twitch emotes. I notice that Twitch emote already redirects to Twitch (service)#Emotes. Maybe it would make sense to rework this article to focus on emotes in video games and include a hatnote to Twitch (service)#Emotes where the platform-specific emotes are already covered? Like you, I'd like to get input from other editors on this, so I've struck my initial !vote pending further discussion. Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 21:44, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On second thought, it might make more sense to convert Emote to a disambiguation page. I'll need to dig into the sources a bit more before making a firm claim on what the primary topic is. Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 21:53, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Lord Bolingbroke Good luck! Let me know how that goes. I'm partial to both of your responses, and I feel both could be feasible, but I'll need to see what sourcing is like before I make any significant judgement calls. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 13:23, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Jaeheon Kim; Donghee Yvette Wohn; Meeyoung Cha (January 2022). "Understanding and identifying the use of emotes in toxic chat on Twitch". Online Social Networks and Media. 27. doi:10.1016/j.osnem.2021.100180.
^ Caleb Gierke; Sara Brady (30 July 2022). "The Effects of Context on the Understanding of Twitch Emotes". SSRN. Retrieved 18 November 2024.
^ "YouTube Introduces Twitch-Like 'YouTube Emotes' Feature: All Details". News18. 7 December 2022. Retrieved 18 November 2024.
^ Luke Winkie (3 January 2019). "The history of dance emotes in 15 gifs". PC Gamer. Retrieved 18 November 2024.
^ Fabian Haak. Emojis in Lexicon-Based Sentiment Analysis: Creating Emoji Sentiment Lexicons from Unlabeled Corpora (PDF). LWDA'21: Lernen, Wissen, Daten, Analysen. Munich, Germany. Retrieved 18 November 2024.
^ Callagy, Sean M (8 November 2023). "Hanagami V. Epic Games: The Ninth Circuit Clarifies The Standard For Infringement Of Choreographic Works". Mondaq Business Briefing.
^ Erik Pettersson; Veronica Sundstedt (8 November 2017). "A perceptual evaluation of social interaction with emotes and real-time facial motion capture". Proceedings of the 10th International Conference on Motion in Games. doi:10.1145/3136457.3136461.

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Keep probably. While this subject was biggest in the pre- and early-web days (BBS chat, IRC, etc.), emotes are still part of many current chat systems. Any of the many books about internet chat would have a bit about this. It's not an overlap with emoji, which are graphical emoticons, not emotes. It's possible there's not a whole lot to say about this, in which case a merge probably makes sense, but I'm not sure where to merge to. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 04:17, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have any of the books on this on hand? Mostly asking because those sources would greatly help with covering this subject if they do exist. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 00:37, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Tomer Reznik

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Inadequate sources for this young Israeli as of 2024 to meet GNG. Maybe in the future this could come back or could go to draft space in the meantime. I believe it should be deleted for now. Iljhgtn (talk) 02:46, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Code page 778

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout. HyperAccelerated (talk) 02:46, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Solomon Islands at the 2024 World Aquatics Championships

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of notability under GNG or SNG. Basically the whole article is to say that they entered one person in that event and they lost. No GNG sources, just one database type source for that factoid. North8000 (talk) 18:42, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. This type of article/list has very little potential for growrth, and is at best appropriate for an overview along the lines of Solomon Islands at the World Aquatics Championships. It doesn't exist, so a merge isn't possible at the time. Geschichte (talk) 20:32, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Solomon Islands at the World Aquatics Championships and repurpose/expand the article under that broader topic per WP:ATD.4meter4 (talk) 12:34, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Code page 775

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout. Most of the sources describe what the code page layout is but don't provide any information beyond that. The remaining source(s) don't look reliable or don't give us significant information about the code page with which we could use to build an article. HyperAccelerated (talk) 02:45, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Has enough sources, and is a well-established code page. Alexlatham96 (talk) 18:43, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You have done nothing to explain how this article has adequate sourcing. HyperAccelerated (talk) 19:24, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Code page 777

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout. HyperAccelerated (talk) 02:43, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Code page 776

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout. HyperAccelerated (talk) 02:42, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Code page 773

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout. HyperAccelerated (talk) 02:41, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Code page 770

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout. The creator of the article added one source that provides a trivial mention of the subject, then dePRODed the article. Without sufficient sourcing improvements, this article should be deleted. HyperAccelerated (talk) 02:40, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Seems like a good idea to dump this. Possibly the article listing code page numbers could add a word saying what language the page is designed for.

Please also try to get rid of the cruft added to actual influential code pages, such as code page 850 which have been padded with a number of obscure code pages that are "similar". Spitzak (talk) 14:24, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have done some of this.Alexlatham96 (talk) 18:55, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I recommend to merge the deletion discussions and transwiki all except code pages 775, 852, 855, 856, 857, and 860. I want to keep 851 as well, but sourcing may be inadequate. Others facing deletion are: Code page 708, Code page 720, Code page 773, Code page 775, Code page 776, Code page 777, Code page 778, Code page 851, Code page 852, Code page 853, Code page 855, Code page 856, Code page 857, Code page 3846, Code page 859, Code page 860, Code page 1169. Alexlatham96 (talk) 18:48, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Per WP:NOTMANUAL, is there any reason to keep any of these CP articles as free-standing articles (rather than merely sections of a broad concept article, code page)? 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 19:05, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Moving this material to another wiki is functionally the same as a delete vote to me, because it indicates that the material does not belong on Wikipedia. I don't care what you do with any of this material after it's deleted as long as it's off Wikipedia. HyperAccelerated (talk) 19:23, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Having them in a central article about code pages is my preferred solution. DRMcCreedy (talk) 19:25, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Buffer shot

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Wikipedia is not a dictionary; sources for this are not apparent and if they were, this appears to be just a minor film technique. "Noddy" already covers use in news and interviews. There are currently no references. Nominating for AFD rather than boldly merging to see if there's any writing on buffer shots that I am missing. Mrfoogles (talk) 01:00, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Glossary of motion picture terms per WP:ATD.4meter4 (talk) 01:16, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Merge to Cutaway (filmmaking) -- Dr Greg talk 02:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They’re both editing techniques using insertion of material but their respective goals are opposite (variety/continuity), so merging is not necessary and might be confusing, don’t you think? -Mushy Yank. 05:02, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: It’s covered in reliable sources so I cannot see why it should be merged into another page. -Mushy Yank. 04:56, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Merge to Glossary of motion picture terms. While there have been several sources added, the entire article is a few sentences and could easily be merged into the article. AnotherWeatherEditor (talk) 15:30, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Could, but why should it be merged? -Mushy Yank. 16:45, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mushy Yank The article is currently a WP:DICDEF. DICDEF articles are not allowed, so we usually handle content like this inside glossaries. The encyclopedia won't lose any of this content it will just be housed in a different spot to comply with DICDEF. The cats can even remain on the redirect page so we won't lose navigation there either. Best. 4meter4 (talk) 19:07, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Cutaway (filmmaking) per Dr. Greg. This is a very closely related idea and could easily be accommodated there. I'd go so far as to argue that a buffer shot is a particular case of a cutaway. WP:NOPAGE definitely applies here, and I think this merge target makes the most sense. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 17:41, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose merge to Cutaway (filmmaking) per the comment by Mushy Yank. Buffer shots have a different goal and merging would lead to confusion. Glossary of motion picture terms is the better target as I already indicated above.4meter4 (talk) 19:04, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: It seems like the three related articles here are Buffer shot, Cutaway (filmmaking), and Nod shot. A nod shot is a kind of buffer shot which is a kind of cutaway. For example, see the first paragraph of Cutaway:

"The most common use of cutaway shots in dramatic films is to adjust the pace of the main action, to conceal the deletion of some unwanted part of the main shot, or to allow the joining of parts of two versions of that shot. For example, a scene may be improved by cutting a few frames out of an actor's pause; a brief view of a listener can help conceal the break. Or the actor may fumble some of his lines in a group shot; rather than discarding a good version of the shot, the director may just have the actor repeat the lines for a new shot, and cut to that alternate view when necessary."

Which basically describes a buffer shot. Commenters above have argued cutaways are mostly not meant for this, but according to the article itself, they often are. Mrfoogles (talk) 20:28, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The dictionary definition is "a shot that interrupts the main action of a film or television program to take up a related subject or to depict action supposed to be going on at the same time as the main action" by Merriam Webster. Mrfoogles (talk) 20:32, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(as nom) Merge to Cutaway (filmmaking) given that the article content is already there, there just aren't any citations. Mrfoogles (talk) 20:34, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment.@Mrfoogles, 35.139.154.158, Mushy Yank, Dr Greg A buffer shot is not a cutaway and a cutaway is not a buffer shot. They both use film splicing, but they are two different film editing ideas. I would support them being together in a larger article on film splicing, but not together under the name cutaway. Likewise nod shot could be included in the film splicing article.4meter4 (talk) 20:49, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Glossary of motion picture terms. Although the article is well-cited, it is clearly WP:DICDEF. Merging to the glossary will create the least confusion, since a buffer shot is neither a cutaway nor a nod shot.--DesiMoore (talk) 15:39, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Matt Nance

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I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this American soccer player. Fails WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 02:32, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete for failure of WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 13:33, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 18:23, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:17, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Auvers size 30 canvases

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Don't think this satisfies WP:NLIST. Have looked for sources discussing Auvers Van Gogh size 30 canvas paintings as a group and have been unable to find any in Google, Google Books, Google Scholar, etc.. One source is incompletely cited in the Refs section but even if it does discuss the paintings as a group, that's one source, and I am doubtful there is another given it seems difficult to group these paintings based just on the size of the canvas on which they are painted. There is already a list of paintings made at Auvers in List of works by Vincent van Gogh. Mrfoogles (talk) 02:30, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy merge/redirect Looks like the kind of thing you could have done a WP:BOLD merge of without an AFD. Reywas92^Talk 14:25, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of works by Vincent van Gogh, which already has a section "Paintings (Auvers-sur-Oise)" and a table that is sortable by size. Asparagusstar (talk) 16:13, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aslam Chowdhury

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Not meeting WP ANYBIOP and WP:POLITICIAN. Deleted 9 years ago per A7 美しい歌 (talk) 13:10, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi,

What is required to be included in this article for it to come out of the deletion process?

The individual is a high profile politician of Bangladesh Nationalist Party who has been arbitrarily imprisoned by a toppled regime for 8 years. Intlctzn (talk) 13:26, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a list of long media coverage regarding the individual which spans over a decade.

"Bangladeshi Dissident Aslam Chowdhury released from prison". Foreign Policy Blogs. 2024-08-27. Retrieved 2024-11-11."Morshed Khan, Afroza Abbas, Aslam Chowdhury round off BNP success on appeals". www.unb.com.bd. Retrieved 2024-11-11."BNP appoints three more members to Chairperson's Advisory Council"."Bangladesh politician arrested for 'Israel handshake'". Al Jazeera. Retrieved 2024-11-11."BNP leader Aslam Chowdhury walks out of jail after 8 yrs -". The Daily Observer. Retrieved 2024-11-11."Bangladeshi Opposition Official Arrested for Alleged Contacts With Mossad"."Bangladesh opposition official arrested over Israel meeting"."BNP's Aslam on seven-day remand | The Asian Age Online, Bangladesh". The Asian Age. Retrieved 2024-11-11.bdnews24.com. "Police claim BNP leader Aslam has given substantial information about plot with Israel". Police claim BNP leader Aslam has given substantial information about plot with Israel. Retrieved 2024-11-11."BNP leader Aslam Chy arrested over 'meeting' Mossad agent [ Tritiyo Matra News ]". www.tritiyomatra.com. Retrieved 2024-11-11.bdnews24.com. "BNP's Aslam arrested in Dhaka over 'Israel plot' to overthrow Hasina regime". BNP’s Aslam arrested in Dhaka over ‘Israel plot’ to overthrow Hasina regime. Retrieved 2024-11-11.bdnews24.com. "BNP's Hannan says RAW released Aslam's photo with Israel politician in Bangladesh media". BNP’s Hannan says RAW released Aslam’s photo with Israel politician in Bangladesh media. Retrieved 2024-11-11."Govt stages drama over Aslam's meeting with Israeli leader: BNP"."BNP leader Aslam Chowdhury gets HC bail". The Business Standard. 2021-05-30. Retrieved 2024-11-11."BNP leader Aslam Chy released on bail". daily-sun. Retrieved 2024-11-11. Intlctzn (talk) 14:04, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Subsections all can be under controversy, A bio is not notable just for 1 event hence fail WP:Bio, You might choose to add any notable things he has done in the future. Tesleemah (talk) 14:47, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Added more information. Intlctzn (talk) 10:01, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Nominator for this deletion quotes WP:POLITICIAN to delete this article but per aforesaid guidelines, politicians who have held office^[1] or received significant press coverage (as politician^[2]^[3] / business head^[4]) are considered notable. Main article's political career section seems to fulfill this criteria.

(if) other concerns on quality of article can however be raised on main article page and improvements invited, this should not warrant a deletion though Nisingh.8 (talk) 18:07, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep.

Articles for people of identical position exists e.g. Ruhul Kabir Rizvi. 38.39.204.206 (talk) 05:00, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

Delete per WP:POLOUTCOMES. We have deleted, in the past 10 years, thousands of articles about diplomats, political party officials, losing candidates, and activists, up to and including candidates for the United States Senate, for lack of significant coverage. Only members of parliament or the equivalent are automatically included here: not political party officials. It’s about as strong a consensus as you can imagine on Wikipedia. If you haven’t ever read Wikipedia, you might not know that, but that’s not our problem, because in 2024 everybody knows that. We are not Ballotpedia or Truth Social. Bearian (talk) 06:22, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The individual is an important candidate for upcoming Bangladesh general election. 38.39.204.206 (talk) 04:51, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. While normally this politician would be deleted under WP:NPOL, there is international coverage of this particular politician's arrest and imprisonment. This clearly puts this particular person beyond the normal scope of someone in this type of post. Passes WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 15:12, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Advisor, chair, secretary... These are all functionary positions, not meeting political notability. I don't see notability, the sourcing isn't helping matters. Oaktree b (talk) 01:49, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Final relist. I'm not terribly convinced by either "side". Looks like he doesn't meet WP:NPOL and the election that might qualify him for NPOL is unlikely to happen in the next six months: point for the deleters. But the deleters haven't really countered the keepers' assertions that there are enough sources for WP:GNG. So, which is it?
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Panthro

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I can't seem to find anything reliable about them. They all fail WP:GNG. Toby2023 (talk) 01:13, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would suggest merge to List of ThunderCats characters as a compromise. Dwanyewest (talk) 01:59, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to List of ThunderCats characters per WP:ATD, but cannot find enough significant coverage for articles. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 02:58, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to List of ThunderCats characters as proposed above. No indicia of independent encyclopedic notability. BD2412 T 04:09, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yu Lun Eve Lin

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Contested draftification. Autobiography of a lesser known fashion designer. Clear COI issues, and a lack of notability is also evident. CycloneYoris ^talk! 23:00, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Maybe keep. Just looking in the external links she has been the feature in stories by the BBC and Elle. For a fashion designer those don't at all seem trivial. I don't doubt there may be COI issues, but the sourcing already in the article as a cited reference or in the external links seems to meet WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 01:25, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm leaning towards re-draftification for now. Coverage might not be strong enough for WP:N.-KH-1 (talk) 05:18, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Userfy, or WP:TBT, or face my brutally honest editing / stubification. This is not only a COI, but a clearly unfinished piece. That’s acceptable on LinkedIn, but WP:NOTFB. Bearian (talk) 06:10, 29 November 2024 (UTC) I’m not saying that a new article has to be perfect, but come on. Bearian (talk) 06:51, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, which says:
People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.
- If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.
Sources
1. "新銳強勢發聲 Fresh Voice of Now / Eve Lin 設計師：林鈺倫" [Fresh Voice of Now / Designer: Lin Yulun]. Elle (in Chinese). 2014-08-18. Archived from the original on 2024-12-02. Retrieved 2024-12-02.
  The article notes: "『Back to 18』承擔下秋冬主題，不同形式的「跨界」，以成熟心理反向叛逆，是18歲的任性加上30歲的理智。推開配合和妥協，經典的襯衫從此不再安安靜靜，迷上了摺紙藝術的Eve Lin，秋冬用雙手摺出喧譁的幾何圖形，送到印度刷印網版製印花，生產屬於自己的布絲、雪紡，不走數位印花如照片般的高解析，而是透過手工的粗實形成感情豐富的復古風味。"
  From Google Translate: ""Back to 18" takes on the theme of autumn and winter, with different forms of "cross-border" and rebellion with a mature psychology. It is the willfulness of an 18-year-old combined with the rationality of a 30-year-old. Pushing aside coordination and compromise, classic shirts are no longer quiet. Eve Lin is obsessed with the art of origami. In autumn and winter, she folds noisy geometric shapes with her hands and sends them to India for screen printing to produce her own fabrics. Silk and chiffon do not use high-resolution digital printing like photos, but create an emotional retro flavor through the roughness of handwork. Now she knows more accurately what the rules of the game are for her."
2. YenLin (2015-11-03). "設計新世代 Young Powers／林鈺倫女性主義的男裝結構" [Designing the New Generation: Young Powers / Yu Lun Eve Lin: The Feminist Structure of Menswear]. men's uno男人誌 (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-12-02. Retrieved 2024-12-02.
  The article notes: "畢業自英國Central St. Martin的林鈺倫Eve Lin，2010年於英國倫敦自創同名品牌，受到英國男裝歷史文化以及製作技術的薰陶下，將極簡卻帶有女性優雅風格的想法，巧妙地套用在男裝的剪裁上，襯托出整個設計的質感以及她所追求的風格。"
  From Google Translate: "Eve Lin, who graduated from Central St. Martin in the UK, founded her own brand of the same name in London, UK in 2010. Influenced by the history, culture and production technology of British men's clothing, she skillfully applied the idea of minimalism but feminine elegance. The tailoring of men's clothing brings out the texture of the entire design and the style she pursues."
  The article notes that she was born in 1984 in Taiwan, received a master of fashion design at Central Saint Martins, was an intern at the Alexander McQueen studio in London, started a clothing brand called Eve Lin in 2009, and is a lecturer at Shih Chien University's department of fashion studies.
3. "台湾时装国际市场展风采" [Taiwan Fashion International Market Exhibition] (in Chinese). BBC. 2010-03-05. Archived from the original on 2024-12-02. Retrieved 2024-12-02.
  The article notes: "我最近在伦敦市中心的一个画廊（The Coningsby Gallery）就参观了来自台湾的女时装设计师林钰伦的时装展。来自台湾台中市的林钰伦从童年习画转而学习时装设计，去年取得在伦敦中央圣马丁设计艺术学院硕士学位，并成为该学院2009年唯一一位来自亚洲的女装硕士毕业生。早春之际，林钰伦受母校邀请，从台湾飞来伦敦参加新锐时装设计师秋冬女装作品展，她的时装展题为“All About Eve”。"
  From Google Translate: "I recently visited a fashion exhibition of Taiwanese fashion designer Lin Yu-lun at a gallery in central London (The Coningsby Gallery). Yu Lun Eve Lin, who is from Taichung, Taiwan, switched from painting to fashion design in her childhood. Last year, she obtained a master's degree from Central Saint Martins College of Art and Design in London and became the only Asian graduate of the college's women's fashion master's program in 2009. In early spring, Yu Lun Eve Lin was invited by her alma mater to fly from Taiwan to London to participate in the autumn and winter women's fashion exhibition of emerging fashion designers. Her fashion exhibition was titled "All About Eve"."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Yu Lun Eve Lin (traditional Chinese: 林鈺倫; simplified Chinese: 林钰伦) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 00:35, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The policies say that articles containing flaws should not be deleted if they can be improved. Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Alternatives to deletion says, If editing can address all relevant reasons for deletion, this should be done rather than deleting the page. Wikipedia:Editing policy#Wikipedia is a work in progress: perfection is not required says, Perfection is not required: Wikipedia is a work in progress. Collaborative editing means that incomplete or poorly written first drafts can evolve over time into excellent articles. Even poor articles, if they can be improved, are welcome. Cunard (talk) 00:35, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Tarnobrzeg Municipal Stadium

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Creator claims such small stadiums are inherently notable; I don't think that's true at all. Article was moved back into draft space by User:Mccapra, and creator moved it back to main space twice. Their argument? "The subject is encyclopedic, the article is well-sourced, and there is nothing in it beyond what is present in the Polish-language article." But the first thing is untrue and certainly questionable, the second is ridiculous (the link is to a user-generated database of stadiums), and the first is irrelevant on the English wiki. Drmies (talk) 14:55, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am in favor of keeping the article. Tarnobrzeg Municipal Stadium may not stand out significantly from other stadiums, but it represents a typical example of local sports infrastructure, much like other stadiums already included in the encyclopedia. To provide context, I reviewed two randomly selected stadiums—Stjörnuvöllur and Akranesvöllur—and found them similarly modest in scale. Deleting Tarnobrzeg Municipal Stadium based on the argument presented here could set a precedent for removing numerous comparable entries, which doesn’t align with our established approach to such topics. While I understand the concerns raised, I believe the article is well-sourced and falls within the scope of what we consider encyclopedic. Paradygmaty (talk) 15:03, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep stadiums are generally notable. The article only has one source, though, that doesn't help with GNG, so we have to do a source search, not a blanket AfD. And what we see is that the stadium has been covered in secondary sources: [4] [5] (looks like the same story) [6] [7] (about hooligans who vandalized it.) Now those may not be a clear GNG pass, but they are all from the past month. It should be relatively easy to write a decent little article about this. SportingFlyer T·C 16:22, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Again we're missing the point here - since the article was sent to AfD, there's been some expansion with some sources which I think are fine (some don't count like transfermarkt), but more importantly there's at least one site - stadiony.pl - which includes news about the stadium back to 2009, and while some of it is self published others appear to be copies of articles published about the stadium. Polish football is generally well documented and a search of "Stadion Siarki Tarnobrzeg" brings up even more material which clearly clears GNG. There's news going back to 2013 for instance [8]. SportingFlyer T·C 07:16, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~*Delete~~ all sports stadiums are not notable, and small local stadiums generally aren’t. There is nothing architecturally, historically or culturally distinctive about this one as far as I can see. Most towns have a stadium like this, just like they have a police station and a post office. Mccapra (talk) 16:54, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The test isn't about whether they are "architecturally, historically or culturally distinctive." The test is whether they've been covered in secondary sources, and this one clearly has. SportingFlyer T·C 17:13, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with SportingFlyer – notability is based on coverage in reliable secondary sources, not just architectural or cultural significance. I’ve also expanded the article to provide more context, which supports its notability. Paradygmaty (talk) 17:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, or maybe better merge into Siarka Tarnobrzeg. Per WP:NSTADIUM, stadiums are not generally notable and has to meet WP:GNG criteria. WP:GNG says that "significant coverage is not a guarantee that a subject merits its own article". Currently used sources do not demonstrate notability, and the vandalism articles are not even "significant coverage". The vandalism is not a historical event and Wikipedia is not a newspaper to collect such events of local importance. So I suggest deleting this paragraph and moving the rest to the club as a section, which should satisfy everyone involved. FromCzech (talk) 10:01, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to Siarka Tarnobrzeg as possible search term. Giant Snowman 10:40, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I maintain my stance for KEEP, especially since I have updated the article to include the fact that this stadium hosted Siarka Tarnobrzeg during their three seasons in the top Polish league. This clearly indicates that it is not just an insignificant stadium. Surely, we wouldn't delete the stadium of an Ekstraklasa club – following that logic, we should also consider removing Františka Kloze Stadium (in Czechia), which is also "just a building." I kindly ask you to reconsider your position. Paradygmaty (talk) 16:09, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect as suggested above. Mccapra (talk) 06:42, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You cannot vote twice. Paradygmaty (talk) 07:00, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I haven’t. I struck my original !vote. Mccapra (talk) 23:03, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: To get it back on the log, longer note TK so I don't break the formatting in the template
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Admin/Relist note, I had closed this as redirect to Siarka Tarnobrzeg. as a viable ATD where both fit together. History is preserved should there be a desire for a merger. however discussion arose at User_talk:Star_Mississippi#Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Tarnobrzeg_Municipal_Stadium and consensus was that a relist was likely more fruitful than DRV for an error in close and/or factors having changed. I leave this to the next closer as to whether this needs an additional seven days but given the ~ week since closure it's my personal opinion it should run a few days to ensure additional eyes for consensus (of whichever outcome that may be). Star Mississippi 01:13, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for relisting! I've added additional citations I found about the stadium renovation to the article to show this does indeed pass GNG. SportingFlyer T·C 01:59, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Siarka Tarnobrzeg as an appropriate WP:ATD. There are now 10 sources on the page but they are all primary sources, and most are not independent of the club. Two new ones have just been added. These are [9] and [10], which do at least speak about the stadium, but are news reports about the modernisation, and thus fall squarely in WP:PRIMARYNEWS. To consider that another way, the question is what makes the stadium notable for its own article and not as a piece of club news. The answer to that cannot be a news report about the progress of the club's modernisation of its stadium. It is, however, worth a mention on the club page, and would enhance that page, which is currently rather short. There are also news articles about fans damaging the stadium. This too is better located on the club page. It is not so much about the stadium itself as about an event in the club history and should not really be separated from that. The remaining sources are not independent, primary and do not speak to the stadium itself. What is missing is anything that a stadium article could be written from. We can't assemble this from club news - there has to be some kind of secondary treatment of the stadium, such as a history or an analysis of why it is notable. We don't have that. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 08:35, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Liminal horror (genre)

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An article for this already exists at "Liminal space (aesthetic)". I do not believe the subject of this article is unique enough for a standalone article. I propose deletion. However, if others believe this article could be merged or redirected to "Liminal space (aesthetic)" instead, then the consensus should be respected. (Discuss 0nshore's contributions!!!) 00:46, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak delete. The article's current sourcing is atrocious and it reads like an original essay. If it's kept, it probably needs to be nuked and started from scratch. I did find the following book: At the Edge of Existence: Liminality in Horror Cinema Since the 1970s, which is peer-reviewed and has "liminal horror" as its main topic. However, the only other sources I can find using this term are video game websites of dubious notability ([11] [12] and a college newspaper ([13]). Probably worth a mention at Liminal space (aesthetic), but not more than that for now. Astaire (talk) 01:06, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - This topic seems rather duplicative of the information at Liminal space (aesthetic), with much of the information on the history of the phenomenon on the internet and things like the Backrooms already covered there. Currently there does not really seem to be a lot of distinction between the overarching topic of the liminal spaces aesthetic in general and the horror aspects in specific that would really necessitate it being split out. Further development should occur at the Liminal space (aesthetic) article first and, in the future, a separate article can be spun out if it ever become appropriate to do so. As mentioned above, the sources currently in the article are unacceptable, and there are a number of passages that appear to be WP:OR, so merging would not really be appropriate. Rorshacma (talk) 01:45, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

redirect: to Liminal space (aesthetic) and add a section there about explicit horror, as I can see how the current page lacks explicit mentions of horror (though it alludes to it) Themoonisacheese (talk) 10:10, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Liminal space (aesthetic). I agree with what others have said; this should just be talked about within the liminal space article. In terms of sourcing, this article fails WP:GNG. Beachweak (talk) 10:43, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect and merge to Liminal space (aesthetic). A section that talks about the horror aspect seems fine. The article on its own does not support the GNG necessary to carry the article's weight. Conyo14 (talk) 18:02, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect and merge to Liminal space (aesthetic), probably can be expanded under the history section of that article. Procyon117 (talk) 18:25, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Northern Illinois vs. Notre Dame football game

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No true sustained coverage. Upsets are common in College Football, though this was a significant one at the time. Esolo5002 (talk) 00:10, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete We don't need a whole article every time there's an unexpected result. Most of this is fluff, and anything meaningful can be covered in the main season article. Reywas92^Talk 03:43, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and Reywas. Individual games can and should be dealt with in the relevant team season articles. Every "big" game or upset doesn't warrant a stand-alone. I'd probably vote to delete 2024 Alabama vs. Vanderbilt football game for the same reasons. Cbl62 (talk) 10:58, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:ROUTINE. Nothing in the article and nothing I've seen in news articles carry the weight of significant coverage necessary for single-game articles in this instance. Conyo14 (talk) 18:00, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2023 Georgia Tech vs. Miami football game

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Clearly a case of WP:NOTNEWS. Certainly was a bad decision that cost Miami the game, and it got coverage afterwards, but no sustained coverage deserving of an article. Esolo5002 (talk) 00:07, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete This is a example of how people massively overdo things here, thinking that because other articles have a particular format, any other article must be fleshed out to fill that. None of the background is relevant. None of the game summary is relevant. None of the aftermath is relevant. There was a bad decision at the end of the game that got attention, but the idea this needs a whole article is absurd. They lost a winnable regular season game, big whoop. Reywas92^Talk 03:41, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Reywas92. Had the game had some sort of nickname or an incredible event that would have spanned just a single week's news coverage, I would have opted for more of a keep. This is not the case here as the news coverage has been primarily WP:ROUTINE. Conyo14 (talk) 17:59, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]